Some Words for Walter

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I see that Walter Block has continued with the deriding of anarchist non-voters for not supporting RP—or, as he puts it, “kicking people in the crotch”. (Yes, I know; it’s a lovely image of tolerance in the pro-freedom family, isn’t it?) He completely missed mine, but offered some interesting new gymnastics in the attempt, so I guess it’s my turn to add to the shouting again.

Block begins by announcing his standard for whether someone is in the family or not:

In my view, the "Ron Paul question" constitutes a litmus test for libertarians. Simply put, the "Ron Paul question" consists of determining whether or not a person supports Dr. Paul. If so, as I see matters, he passes this test and can be constituted a libertarian; if not, his credentials are to that extent suspect.

So we’re starting from the perspective that “one person defines an entire ideology” again. How short-sighted, silly, and boring. He continues by quoting another open letter to anarchists (emphasis mine):

David [Gordon]’s response to their objection to Congressman Paul is brilliant:

"However good his program, though, isn’t Ron Paul attempting to become head of the criminal gang that constitutes the State? To come to grips with this question, we need to ask, why is the State a criminal gang? As Franz Oppenheimer, Albert Jay Nock, and Murray Rothbard have explained, the State is not a productive organization. To the contrary, it seizes property from the productive members of society. Given this understanding, we can see that the objection against Ron Paul fails completely. His proposals are all efforts to curtail the exactions of the State, not to continue or extend them. The objectors count both political supporters and opponents of State power as ‘statists.’ Apparently, by participating in the electoral process, regardless of the program one advocates, one incurs some sort of pollution."

If that were true, then I would be more sympathetic than I am; but as I recall, Dr. Libertarian Savior supports the border wall, which is hardly a curtailment of the exactions of the state. But the larger issue is the more important one, in my view: I am not content with curtailing the state; I want to see it shrivel and die. Thus, anyone who seeks the office of president—or any other position of coercive power—is worthy of suspicion to me.

Block then continues:

If it is wrong to be part of a criminal gang calling itself the state (Spooner), it is not also improper to cooperate with it in any way; to avail oneself of its benefits, lest one give one’s imprimatur to this evil institution? If so, then it would be impermissible on libertarian grounds to become an employee of the government. Dr. Paul’s actions are therefore incompatible with our libertarian principles not only for running for President, but also for being a (10-term) Congressman. I, too, am not without guilt in this regard. Previously, I taught at (was an employee of) a state university. At present, I am employed by a private university, but one that accepts money from the government. But more: all of us, me, Ron, every last one of the anarcho-capitalists who object to his candidacy on this ground, use the sidewalks for walking, the streets and roads for driving, U.S. currency for making purchases, post letters with the U.S. postal service, visit state libraries, museums, etc. It ill behooves so-called libertarian anarchists, who do not fully understand either of these two philosophies, to object to Ron Paul’s actions, which are in this one way indistinguishable from their own.

The correct libertarian anarchist position, as I see matters, is that the state is of course evil. Therefore, anyone who decreases its power is on the side of the angels. Mr. Paul certainly fits this bill; his critics do not, no matter how tightly they wrap themselves in the black flag.

So, Walter has taken an old trick in The Family playbook and elevated it to a new logical fallacy: the Argument from Purity. Further, in the process he has conflated vastly differing levels of acceptance of (or tolerance, if you prefer) and cooperation with the state. Walking on a sidewalk is hardly the same as seeking an office of coercive power; moreover, there is hardly a patch on earth that some government hasn’t claimed as its own and to some degree attempts to control its use, as well as those who use it.

It would appear that the only way out of Walter’s false puzzle for all of us pro-freedom anarchists is to commit suicide rather than taint ourselves with the state’s near-monopoly of this planet. Sorry to disappoint, but this is my only go here and I am not about to make things easier for those who believe that wielding coercive power over others is an acceptable form of interaction.

And last on this point, I don’t believe I have ever met Walter Block in person, nor corresponded with him at length in email. Thus, he probably knows practically nothing of what I have done—and am currently doing—to try to decrease the power of the state; and any comparison between my efforts and a longtime politician’s on Walter’s part is pure speculation, and again, quite silly.

My last comment is in response to this paragraph (emphasis in original):

Let me try to make this point in another way. Suppose a slave master allows his slaves to choose between Overseer Goody, who has a very light and judicious touch with the whip, and Overseer Baddy, who never met a bloody back he didn’t like. The slaves take up the master on his offer, and vote for Goody. Are they thereby demonstrating support for slavery, for goodness sakes? No; they are only registering a preference for Goody over Baddy. Even Spooner, who might be considered patron saint of this viewpoint, regarded voting, and, presumably, holding public office, as a defensive, not an invasive, act.

Spooner may be considered a patron saint for some, but not for me; so I don’t much care what he may have written or said about defensive and offensive voting. Walter’s depiction is, again, rather shallow; it leaves out the very real possibility that some “slaves” would prefer to opt out of the vote altogether—recognizing that no person has any justification, save voluntary, informed consent, for controlling another individual’s time, life, or body. I do not recognize any other individual’s authority to control me so long as I do not voluntarily give another that power; thus, I will not involve myself in exercises of assigning coercive power to myself or any other non-consenting individual.

I don’t know much about Walter Block and his specific beliefs, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his familiarity with the freedom philosophy. Thus, I am surprised that so much of his self-labeled crotch-kicking of anarchists rests on strawman and other similarly weak arguments. It leads me to wonder if he and at least some of the former non-voters who have hopped on the Dr. No votetrain are experiencing some cognitive dissonance. It must be painful to know, somewhere deep inside, that what one had called principled non-voting was actually expedient non-voting. I am starting to suspect that the insistent fervor of the objections to the stance Wendy McElroy, Wally Conger, Scott Bieser, and I and many others have taken arises from this dissonance. If I’m right, that strikes me as very sad on several levels. As I have repeatedly stated, I am not interested in trying to persuade anyone as to the wrongness of their position nor the superiority of my own. I don’t like the fact that many of the people I thought I could count on not to aggress against me are willing to do so, in the form of voting for a Republican candidate for president; but I respect that each person must needs make his or her own choice. I would like the same courtesy extended in return, but it appears that will not be happening anytime soon.

So, one more time, from something I wrote late last night:

I am not speaking for anyone else, and I am not trying to tell anyone that they shouldn’t be supporting him. I’m trying not to bother you with my differing perspective, yet many of you RP supporters won’t leave me alone. ... [P]lease give me and those like me a little of that vaunted libertarian tolerance. That’s all I want.

Well said!

I'm having to wade through quite a bit of this sort of attack myself, and cries of outrage when I refuse to publish - either for or against. I'm trying to address this issue in an article for next week.

No human being has the right -- under any circumstances -- to initiate force against another human being, nor to threaten or delegate its initiation. The Zero Aggression Principle

I have a hard time understanding why people (especially libertarians) can't seem to see that support for ANY politician is, inevitably, a delegation of aggression!

Only because....

They cannot see it only because it is *not*. The man who wrote the statement you quoted above himself believes in the idea of voting in self-defense. That would be L. Neil Smith. Look it up! An act is not a "delegation of aggression" unless, umm, I _actually_ _delegate_ _aggression_. I abhor initiation of force, thus whatever statement I may be making by supporting Ron Paul, or Bill Clinton for that matter, whatever that act of support may signify, it is not a delegation of aggression. If a politician aggresses, he is responsible for his own actions, not I. We are individualists, remember?

However ....

If a politician aggresses, he is responsible for his own actions ...

True. However, an elected official’s job is, quite simply, aggression. What else should one call using the threat of the state’s guns to make a person play the papers game throughout life, hand over a significant portion of one’s earnings for the state to waste on their ineffectual bureaucracies and programs, and to obey a slew of rules that are becoming increasingly silly and draconian? And if one pulls the lever and says, “He’s my ruler!”, and your guy wins, you helped put him in that position of power, no?

Some individuals therefore see the act of voting as aggression; one is accepting the idea of the necessity of a ruler and is expressing a preference for a particular ruler. I happen to be one of them. I do understand that others view certain conditions and/or ways of voting as defensive ... but to me, a voting anarchist is the epitome of dissonance.

At any rate, I believe this is one of those subjects where we will simply need to agree to disagree.

At least it will be over soon.

The "hatred of the heretic" that people like Block and Raimondo (I should note that I am not a fan of the Cato Institute) exhibit is just petty. I have stopped reading LRC and a few other sites simply because of it.

I find it truly amazing that the person who wrote "Defending the Undefendable", which makes logical, coherent arguments for freedom could write a piece so full of logical fallacies.

Oh well, when someone gets religion reason goes out the window.

Jorge, you nailed it!

Oh well, when someone gets religion reason goes out the window.

Right in one, my friend. Check out this quote from a more recent Block scribbling (I didn’t find this; it came to my attention via Kirsten):

I just can’t get much writing done (apart from writing about you, that is). In the early days of your candidacy, I would google you, and reading all the stories about you would take, what, an hour or so a day? But then things gradually escalated. Nowadays, if I read every day for 24 hours daily, I still couldn’t read everything written about you. My problem is that I’m so enthralled with what you’re doing that I can’t seem to keep away from doing just that. Nor am I the only Austro-libertarian with a Ron Paul addiction. You’re not only ruining my productivity, but, if I can speak for the entire movement for a moment, you are doing this to all of us. Ron, if Murray were still around, I have no doubt that he’d be doing the same thing. Although I am a devout atheist, I just know Murray is now up there somewhere, cackling away at a thousand miles per hour with glee. God bless you, you are doing the Lord’s work, so to speak.

Explains a lot, dunnit?

No thanks

Well, I suppose I must cease to call myself a libertarian. I am sure there are better terms out there for individuals who value the concepts of individual liberty, as libertarians far and wide have abandoned this idea. I met Walter Block over 20 years ago and considered him a hero in the libertarian movement then. However, the sudden trend of back-stabbing non-political libertarians that has been going on the in the name of the Paul Crusade is tragic to witness.

Far from "lying on the ground on [my] back" as Block gleefully exclaims, I am more a bemused spectator at the Millennialists who thunder the rallying cry around Paul. "He is our only hope in the face of darkness," we hear almost daily. David Gordon's letter, quoted by Block, states as a given that someone's stated convictions (skipping the small print where those convictions are uncomfortable) are enough to invalidate any taint of statism. This seems to say that the fact that someone avows to strip the state of power makes them a holy candidate for state power. Gordon raises the issue perfectly, and then dismisses it: "by participating in the electoral process, regardless of the program one advocates, one incurs some sort of pollution." I hold this as the crux of the matter, and say "Yes, you can oppose even then purest libertarian on intellectual and moral grounds who seeks political office."

I could list specific objections against elements of Paul's non-libertarian views, but in the end those are irrelevant. I would not support Ayn Rand for president, nor Murray Rothbard, nor Ludwig von Mises, to name libertarians of greater stature than Ron Paul.

To those who say that if not now, then never again will we have this opportunity, that's as much rubbish as Al Gore saying if we don't act now, then world will boil over in a few years, and anything done later is useless because we didn't act now. What hubris.

Abolish slavery instead

I was drawn to the same astonishingly specious analogy you were:

Let me try to make this point in another way. Suppose a slave master allows his slaves to choose between Overseer Goody, who has a very light and judicious touch with the whip, and Overseer Baddy, who never met a bloody back he didn’t like. The slaves take up the master on his offer, and vote for Goody. Are they thereby demonstrating support for slavery, for goodness sakes? No; they are only registering a preference for Goody over Baddy.

But in registering either preference, they voluntarily submit to the institution of slavery. I think this is exactly what Paul offers: "A very light and judicious touch with the whip." It's hard to get enthusiastic about that option. The only option for free men is to submit to no slave master.

I don't think anyone quarrels with the thought that Paul is the least among a vicious group of evils. But we also know the old saw about what you still have when you choose the lesser of evils.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be thrilled beyond description to see our Great Leaders replaced by people like Paul. But I'm not going to play the game of choosing the best slave master.

Very nicely put.

Thanks, B.W. Your words also make it clear that this isn’t a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good. As much better than the current govgoons as he would undoubtedly be for many liberties, RP is not perfect. Moreover, one cannot secure or guarantee another’s freedom. Each of us must identify the freedom we want, and do it for ourselves.

Two cents (and no tip!)

"Yes, Murray would be writing articles on Ron for LRC, one per day."

I can't write the snickery noise that comes out of my nose as I read that. This expel-the-heretics (good phrase, by the way), embrace-the-savior mentality was one Rothbard cautioned against, repeatedly. He notes repeated instances of it in his History of Economic Thought* in the early movements for laissez-faire in 18th century France. You know what all those movements have in common, but I'll say it anyhow; they failed! Every last one! Would he have been happy about this situation? I doubt it. Rothbard completely broke with people over far less than what flies at LRC these days. He also broke with people over far more, but that's another story.

"I don’t know much about Walter Block and his specific beliefs, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his familiarity with the freedom philosophy."

As far as I know, Block has never been a principled non-voter. He's always hewed to the Spooner/self-defense argument. I still consider it a good argument on an ethical level; my voting does not constitute consent (I'll never vote) but an attempt to make a thing with which I already disapprove less pernicious in my life. The highwayman offers to take only ten percent instead of fifty; by accepting his offer, am I granting him license to rob me in the future? I can't imagine how I could.

*His discussion of the Physiocracy movement, and its cult figure, Dr. Quesnay, is an interesting and ultimately tragic story. It parallels well the Randian movement, when it was in its cult phase. As Rothbard so tellingly put it about the Randian movement (the Physiocrats' theoretical output was so abysmal it couldn't get much worse) - "How such an atmosphere of fear and censorship crippled the productivity of Randian members may be seen by the fact that not one of the top Randians published any books while in the movement (all of Branden’s books, for example, were published after his expulsion)." -- Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult - is justifiable here; as this thing really heats up, none of the intellectuals at the heart of it are going to produce anything of value until well after it's over.

Interesting.

Thanks for your $0.02, Brian. I do believe I need to read some Rothbard, and soon.

Your thoughts on cultism makes me appreciate all the more my coinage of the “herd monkeys” phrase.

Good show, man!

Mr. Nickerson, good comment. Very thought-provoking. Though I am an enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter, I must admit that you make some good points. Rothbard was never one to be just a rah-rah cheerleader.

It's not self-defense

Against the voting-as-self-defense argument, Wendy McElroy points out that by voting "defensively," one is not simply choosing a lesser evil for oneself, but for one's neighbors as well. A libertarian may properly decide for himself, that a candidate's being wrong on immigration and abortion are forgivable if someone is as strongly correct on foreign policy and banking as Paul is. But how can he make that decision for his daughter? For his wife? For everyone else's wives and daughters? Not to mention all the hard-working illegal humans Paul wants to round up and send into exile.

Therefore, how can a good anarchist defend himself and his family against these "self-defense" voters, other than by pointing out their error?

But there's something else that's begun to worry me lately: when Paul fails to win the nomination, who are the cultists going to blame?

--Scott Bieser
Annoying my betters since 1957
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Caught in the rigging?

when Paul fails to win the nomination, who are the cultists going to blame?

That very good question should start to get an answer fairly soon. Unless the "election system" has far less "rigging" than I expect it does, RP may not end up with enough in Iowa to qualify for the NH Fox (or ABC) Forum. Which could impact his results there as well.

In "practical political" terms, if a candidate does not have stalwarts to act as poll watchers at each precinct/ward where voting (and more importantly vote tallying) takes place, what likelihood exists for that candidate to carry those precincts or wards?