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Yesterday, I forgot to mention the most outrageous thing that I saw at the health food store. I picked up a box of Rice-Krispie type cereal to see how gluten-free it is, and was surprised to see something like this statement (not verbatim, but close): "This product has no ingredients that were developed with biotechnology."

Unless the people who provided the rice for this cereal went out into the wilds and foraged for rice -- an extremely unlikely possibility -- that assertion is patently false. The process of cross-breeding and selective breeding that has resulted in our current cultivated grain crops is very old, and is, essentially, primitive biotechnology. Countering with a claim that modern-day advances allow for far greater manipulation than what was possible back then is simply a dodge of the fact that the manipulations themselves are identical. It's gene selection -- back then a painstaking, often chancy proposition; today much less risky with the information available to researchers. The ability to do cross-species gene splicing is new, but that's a small subset of biotech which, to my mind, does bring more questions into play.

While I appreciate Freeman's recent caution against knee-jerk anti-leftism, and plead guilty to having done some of it myself, it's statements such as the one on that box of cereal that are so utterly ridiculous that they invite individuals to dismiss wide swaths of the organic/environmental movements. I'd been giving serious consideration to buying the cereal so I could make gluten-free treats for my Sweetie (regular Rice Krispies and knockoffs almost always have malt in some form, which in large enough quantities can be problematic for him), but after seeing that absurd statement, no way.

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I'm beginning to think I could quite easily fill this space just with my reactions to stuff at Montag. Yesterday I noted with appreciation that Richardson likes Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which is a movie I saw quite a while ago but still think about; the primary subject of his post, though, was a movie I'm now longing to see, Finding Neverland. A couple of years ago I read Peter Pan to the snolfs, and somewhat to my surprise, found that several of the more mature members of our family regularly listened in as well. In talking about the book later, I learned something of the story's intriguing pedigree. Don't know when I'll get to see the movie, but it's on my list. Thanks, B.W.!

Today B.W. offers a thoughtful post on The Bill of Rights as a social contract. Although I didn't say it at the time, the idea of social contracts was in my mind when I asked about morality and life (and I will return to that subject, once my brain is done working through some stuff). Two things stuck in my mental craw, though.

First, Richardson says, "But my friend is right when he points out that, yes, most times people do not act rationally ..." That assertion is put forward by researchers time and again, and I cringe whenever I hear it, for it's insidiously destructive. The first definition of rational in my dictionary is "based on reasoning". But any individual with a modicum of experience in human interaction knows that individuals' reasonings can be widely divergent -- sometimes even though they lead to the same result. A subsequent definition gives rise to the potentially harmful, judgmental aspect: "not foolish or silly; sensible". Some forms of reasoning are regularly judged as silly, such as a child's circular or leaping reasonings, or a "mentally ill" person's paranoid delusions or attributions for hallucinations. Others may seem silly to outside observers: I wonder at the thought processes of a person who'd consider remotes as valuables, but then I'm not a regular user of electronic gadgets that rely on remotes for full operational capability. And of course, there are times that, after the fact, I find my own reasoning silly. To think of or portray rationality as though it were some immutable, measurable Objective Truth is to tread on very dangerous ground.

Richardson begins his concluding paragraph with, "The time has long since come for free men and women to act as if the Constitution with its Bill of Rights is a contract that means exactly what it says." But the Constitution doesn't allow men and women their full freedom; it set up a system of governance and taxation that of necessity constrains peaceful people's liberty. I really can't say it any better than Lysander Spooner did:

The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. .... And the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them. They had no natural power or right to make it obligatory upon their children.

Don't get me wrong -- living in a society where the Bill of Rights is respected would be much better than the current USSA. It just isn't the end point I'm working for.

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And last -- so's I can sneak this in before midnight -- I had the tables turned on me in November, and the results are now available for public scrutiny. Kirsten corraled me at the Freedom Summit and put me on the spot with the interviewing. The five-part epic chatfest is available at Poddy Talk. But wait, there's more! She's even put my Freedom Summit talk up there too. I haven't heard any of this since doing it, and as I recall I was coming down with whatever bug laid me low for nearly two months the day of the interview. So if I suck, that's my excuse and I'm stickin' to it.

Jorge says:

Great interview. Very enjoyable listening to it. Now I know what you and Kirsten sound like. Also a very good talk at Freedom Summit. I agree with just about everything you said.

--jorge

jeffrey smith says:

You know what biotechnology means and what its history is, but the average Joe Schlump doesn't. He sees the word, and thinks of irradiated food and gene splicing, and thinks no further. And the cereal people are trying to get at the people who are concerned about irradiation and gene spliced food. The statement on the box is a marketing device. It's not Greenpeace who wrote that--it's a marketing shlub who is trying attract people who are afraid of modern food technology. IOW, capitalism at work...

Suggestion: buy the cereal (if it was sufficiently gluten free) and write the company with an explanation of why they need to reword the blurb. I'm sure your point never even occurred to whatever copywriter wrote the blurb.

B.W. Richardson says:

Thanks for helping me think out the social contract thing. I suspect my thinking was unconsciously infected by my friend's FDR-loving buddy. :hehe: And thanks for the kind words about my little endeavor. It's always nice to be noticed.

I'm going the opposite direction on "Neverland" - the movie made me want to (at long last) pick up the book and investigate its "interesting pedigree." I don't think you'll be disappointed by the film.

I agree with Jorge re: Freedom Summit talk. If this is how you do when you think you may have sucked, you must be an awesome speaker when you're "on."

Sunni says:

Jeffrey, I know it's a marketing strategy, and I know that it isn't geared to me; what grates is that a more precise statement could be just as effective marketing copy. As it is, it likely increases ill-placed fears. I've found other cereals that are just as gluten-free, and which aren't as expensive as that one, so I'm planning to stick with them.

Jorge, and B.W., you're both making me blush! I should point out, though, that I am unfailingly my own harshest critic. To wit, when I was doing the college prof gig, over a span of about ten years of teaching I think I did a really good job in class two-three times, tops.

On social contracts: it's a concept I'm still exploring and thinking about myself, so I should be thanking you for helping me along.

garry reed says:

Your link to Poddy Talk isn't working. Just me or is it gone?

Sunni says:

Not gone, Garry, and not you -- I coded it improperly. It should work now. Thanks for letting me know, dear!

freeman says:

Sunni - You make a very good point about the biotech-free marketing claim. Things like this should certainly be more clear, although marketers have little space to work with and, as Jeffery points out, are trying to appeal to ill-informed people who only understand that "modern biotech = bad" without knowing more of the specifics like you and I do.

Believe me, there are plenty of things that GMO critics and pro-organic people say and do that frustrate me and do their causes a great disservice.